In Part Three of my anti-mlm series, Melissa shares clips from her chats with Dave Vaughan and Sarah Haider. Have you tried using literature to facilitate discussions with students about high control groups? Do you feel MLMs are way too normalized in our society and you want to know how to have hard conversations with friends, family, or colleagues? These two educators have a lot to say!

In this episode, Melissa chats with Pamela Malkoff Hayes. Pamela is a licensed marriage/family therapist and a board certified art therapist. Pamela shares the thoughtful questions that she poses to her clients about their artwork and how teachers and school counselors can use art therapy techniques in their work with students.